Rochers du Lorzier via the Charminelle ladders

The hike to the Lorzier rocks via the Charminelle ladders takes us on an adventure along an original route combining slightly dizzying passages through chimneys or on century-old ladders once used by hunters. Several viewpoints offer beautiful panoramic views, particularly at the top of the Lorzier rocks and at the Col des Banettes.

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    Activity: Walking
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    Distance: 19.66 km
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    Duration according to the author: 8 hrs 
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    Difficulty: Very difficult

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    Back to start: Yes
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    Ascent: + 1,553 m
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    Descent: - 1,551 m

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    Highest point: 1,827 m
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    Lowest point: 596 m

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Description of the walk

Park in the Préfanton car park after Pommiers-la-Placette.

(S/E) From the car park, follow the marked path south-east towards the Couvent de Chalais.
Follow the main path for about 100 metres after a small meadow with a barn. Here the path splits in two. Take the left fork (unmarked path). Follow the path, which gradually becomes a narrow trail.

(1) You will come to a small cable-assisted passage that is not particularly difficult (take care if the path is slippery), which will allow you to climb above the first rocky ledge. In this area, the path is less and less marked, but you can still see some old yellow or blue markings, as well as numerous cairns, which make it easy to find.
Caution: some passages above the Roize torrent are steep, with a risk of falling!
If you stray from the path, look for the cliff upstream; the path branches off to the west, running along the bottom of the cliff. You will come to a small viewpoint overlooking the Balme de Voreppe, where you will find the first ladder to climb.

(2) Follow the marked trail (yellow or old blue markings) and climb the various ladders you encounter to reach the upper balcony.
Please note: the ladders are over a hundred years old and sometimes in poor condition, so don't hesitate to put your feet directly on the rock and rope up children or inexperienced people!
After the ladders, continue along the marked trail until you reach the track connecting Chalais to the Prairie de Charminelle.

(3) Continue climbing, following thePR® marked path, until you reach the Prairie de Charminelle.

(4) Turn right towards Col d'Hurtières via the Cheminée du Lorzier. Continue along the path to reach the Cheminée du Lorzier, which does not present any particular difficulty (do not attempt this if there is a lot of snow).

(5) From the Cheminée du Lorzier, turn right along the ridge to reach the summit of the Rochers de Lorzier (there is no path in this area, but you can also follow the path to Col d'Hurtières and then head right towards Les Banettes).

(6) From the summit of Rochers de Lorzier, admire the view over the Voironnais, then look south-east for the Banettes path, which is easily visible in the valley, and follow it across the meadow. Turn right and head for the Banettes refuge, which is open to the public (a few basic benches for sleeping).

(7) Continue along the main path.

(8) At Pas de l'Âne, do not take the Pas and continue down the main winding path (Pas de l'Âne is closed by municipal decree due to rockfalls).

(9) At the end of the switchbacks, the path splits in two; take the right fork.

(10) The path splits again into two; take the right fork once more. Continue along the main path towards La Cheminée.

(11) Descend via La Cheminée (a passage equipped with cables that can be slippery in wet weather). Then follow the main path along the cliff (do not take the two paths on your left). You will arrive at Chalais Monastery.

(12) The convent is not open to visitors, but you can enter to buy some local products. From this point, you can follow the marked route towards Préfanton (Pommiers la Placette).

(13) Return to the starting point and continue in the opposite direction to the Préfanton car park (S/E).

Waypoints

  1. S/E : km 0 - alt. 605 m - Préfanton
  2. 1 : km 2.02 - alt. 861 m - Cabled passage
  3. 2 : km 2.38 - alt. 971 m - Charminelle ladder passages
  4. 3 : km 3.3 - alt. 1,173 m - Crossing the - Roize (cours d'eau) - Affluent du canal de Vence
  5. 4 : km 4.58 - alt. 1,495 m - Charminelle meadow
  6. 5 : km 5.59 - alt. 1,764 m - Cheminée du Lorzier
  7. 6 : km 6.02 - alt. 1,827 m - Rochers du Lorzier - Rocher de Lorzier
  8. 7 : km 7.5 - alt. 1,706 m - Banettes refuge - Refuge des Banettes
  9. 8 : km 9.5 - alt. 1,352 m - Pas de l'Âne
  10. 9 : km 11.36 - alt. 1,051 m - Fork in the road, to the right
  11. 10 : km 12.08 - alt. 975 m - Junction, on the right
  12. 11 : km 12.89 - alt. 925 m - La Cheminée
  13. 12 : km 14.96 - alt. 946 m - Chalais Monastery - Couvent de Chalais
  14. 13 : km 18.75 - alt. 655 m - Marked forest track
  15. S/E : km 19.66 - alt. 605 m - Préfanton

Notes

No equipment is necessary (except for good footwear that stays on your feet), but take care in wet weather. Avoid in snowy conditions.

The route is not recommended for children, and a short rope may reassure less experienced hikers when climbing ladders.

The return via the Col des Banettes is a little long, following the closure of the Pas de l'Âne by municipal decree.

The original route offered a return via the Pas de la Miséricorde, but this is also closed by municipal decree.

(3) At this point, it is possible to shorten the tour by descending the path towards Chalais (marked route to Préfanton).

(4) At this point, it is still possible to shorten the tour by turning left towards Pas de l'Aronde, but this route is not marked.

An alternative to the Col des Banettes is possible from this point by following the marked route to the Hurtières refuge, then returning to the Charminelle meadow just before the Pas de la Miséricorde.

Worth a visit

There are two refuges nearby where you can spend the night:
- Hurtières refuge, below the Lorzier chimney (open refuge with 4 bunks - basic comfort);
- Refuge des Banettes (open refuge with bunks - basic comfort).

Always be cautious and plan ahead when you're outdoors. Visorando and the author of this route cannot be held responsible for any accidents occurring on this route.

The GR® and PR® markings are the intellectual property of the Fédération Française de Randonnée Pédestre.

Reviews and comments

4.6 / 5
Based on 8 reviews

Reliability of the description
4.5 / 5
Ease of following the route
4.6 / 5
Route interest
4.6 / 5
satou
satou

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Apr 07, 2025
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good
Very busy route : No

So how can I put it... the two of us did the route today and we're glad to be back alive.

Let's start with the basics: the hike is extreme.
You should definitely not go alone. And you should do it in the direction indicated.

The first part is exposed and chaotic, because trees have blocked the path, which is difficult to see, extremely slippery and exposed.
One slip and you'll end up in the Dauphine river.
The ladders are rickety but still holding... for how long is another matter.

Then we headed for the chimney, which, in April, was a bad idea. There was still snow on the ground, and the climb up through snow that was sometimes frozen, sometimes melted, was nothing short of miraculous. We tried it because turning back seemed too dangerous.
We survived, but it was extremely scary.
The return trip was more normal, although the chimney on the descent is also impressive, even if it is well secured.

With a slight detour, it was 23km and 1780m of elevation gain.

This route is only for experienced hikers who know how to find their way off-trail, in a group, in this direction, on dry ground.

If you do not meet these conditions, there is a real risk of death.

Be careful.

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Tim
Tim
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Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Oct 20, 2022
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Fair rating. Sporty and magnificent, a must-do if you are visiting Grenoble.

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Mimizen38
Mimizen38
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Hello,
Thank you for your feedback.
Yes, what I did was very enjoyable (except that there are a few tricky sections when climbing the ladders in reverse)... and I plan to go back.
So I must have missed the last ladder: it would be good to mark its location on the GPS track.
Here is my GPS track of what I managed to do: https://www.visorando.com/randonnee-/229...
Once you find the last ladder, the hardest part is over?
PS: I just saw that there's a path on OpenStreetMap... but strangely, it didn't appear when I viewed the map on the Visorando app (I had selected the OpenStreetMap map and preloaded it before starting the hike so I could access it offline)... most likely a bug. It's a shame, because it looks like I just missed the last ladder.

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izzz38
izzz38

Hello,

I'm sorry you couldn't find your way, but I hope you still had a nice hike!

I think you must have missed the last ladder, as there is no descent after that. The penultimate ladder is on a shoulder with a view of Voreppe, and the next one is further into the woods, with a good angle that makes it very easy to climb.

I went back there last spring, and it looked like the blue markings had been redone.

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Mimizen38
Mimizen38

Hello,
Once I reached the bottom of the ladders, I couldn't find the path to the point (3)... so I turned back (not easy to go back the way I came ).
I ended up following the GPS route, which for me was still below the cliffs (on the left-hand side as you go forward): I followed a marked trail, but after a while, the trail and markings (red, yellow and blue) disappeared. It was impossible to go over the cliffs, and if I continued to follow the GPS track, I would have ended up on increasingly steep slopes (with no markings).
... I ventured a little further into the area and couldn't find any trail/markings, especially as it was quite challenging.
Where should I go? I really don't know (especially since, when I look at the contour lines, it seems that you never descend once you've passed the ladders)... Maybe I missed a ladder that leads to the top of the plateau?
Thanks in advance.

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Le Bellion
Le Bellion

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Sep 04, 2021
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

An interesting route that allows you to avoid encountering too many people on the way up. However, you will encounter a few hikers on the plateau and on the descent. The ladders and cables are quite technical and I would not recommend this route for people who are prone to vertigo. Otherwise, there are no particular difficulties. Observant hikers will be able to spot marmots, chamois and mouflons on the plateau. There are numerous water sources in September (streams on the way up and at the hut on the plateau), but be sure to filter the water as there are cows on the plateau. The hut is well equipped and comfortable to sleep in, with the option of warming up by the wood stove.

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lulol
lulol

Overall rating : 4.7 / 5

Date of your route : May 05, 2021
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

High-quality guidebook. I did this hike in several stages (the upper part last June, the ladders this year in May).
I recommend it.
However, it should be added that the path between points 2 and 3 is in very poor condition. Although well marked and signposted, it is very unstable in places and is only suitable for experienced hikers.
The ladders and the Hurtière gorge are very beautiful and interesting passages to explore.

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kluk
kluk

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Jun 13, 2019
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

Great
We camped at the top of the rock.
There are sections with metal cables for safety, so remember to bring gloves!

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journetalisson
journetalisson

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Apr 23, 2019
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good

Hello,

We did this hike yesterday. The route is very well described.

However, it should be noted that this hike is not suitable for people who are prone to vertigo. There are many cliffside passages, particularly on the section with ladders above the void.

As it is April, we were unable to access the pass and took the Pas de l'Aronde descent to return to Pommier. The path is well marked. The descent is quite difficult, so once again, do not attempt it if you are prone to vertigo.

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bb66
bb66

Overall rating : 4 / 5

Date of your route : Oct 13, 2018
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good

Between the hunters' beat and a group of wild boars (surely fleeing from the former), this is a physically demanding hike, starting with a steep climb with numerous scree slopes (caution advised for those who are not sure-footed), then, upon exiting the woods, a magnificent view to reach the chimney (no particular difficulty) before coming out onto the plateau (view of the Grande Sûre and Chamechaude). It's a shame, however, that the hike takes too long in the undergrowth, with lots of leaves making the descent slippery on the stones and roots. Be careful too, as the Pas de l'âne passage is closed, but it's easy to get through... in dry weather.

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didounebe
didounebe

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Jul 01, 2018
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

A wonderful hike on beautiful trails away from Sunday walkers!!!...A splendid view, especially when Mont Blanc is visible. The only thing missing was a few marmots at the top of Lorzier to share this splendid carpet of crocuses....Long live nature and its wonders...Thank you.

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Jean-Marc Quinodoz
Jean-Marc Quinodoz

Not yet followed the hike, only for the project.

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