From Saint-André to Lac Noir

Thank you, la baujue, for pointing that out. I have just amended the description accordingly.

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Date of your route : Jan 27, 2026
Reliability of the description : ★★★☆☆ Average
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★☆☆ Average
Very busy route : No

Route taken in January: ice patch on the return from Lac Noir.
No difficulty on the descent from Lac Noir except for the route:
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(9) Take a path that will lead us to the D12B road.
(10) Follow the road and pass Cor de Chasse. It should be noted that you should turn right as indicated on the map and not continue on the D21B.
Furthermore, the route on the map does not pass through Cor de Chasse, which is located in the vineyards.

Signposting is clearly visible.

Regarding the comment: part of the path is now inaccessible because houses have been built there.
A sign indicates "chemin communal à suivre" (follow the communal path) and there is yellow/green PPDR signage.

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Date of your route : May 08, 2023
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : Yes

A beautiful route through vineyards with stunning views of Granier, Les Bauges, Mont Blanc and Beledonne

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Date of your route : Jul 19, 2021
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★☆☆☆ Disappointing
Very busy route : No

only the part of the route around Black Lake is interesting. Starting from Saint André is completely pointless. The aim of a hike is not (at least for us) to "rack up the kilometres". Five or six kilometres in the blazing sun on a fairly busy country road with a monotonous landscape of vineyards makes for a very disappointing start, and the end of the route is much the same.

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Date of your route : Apr 26, 2021
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good
Very busy route : No

Hello,
The starting point of the hike could be better indicated. For example, there is a large information board in the centre of the village, next to the car park. Otherwise, there are no complaints; the route is well described.
I disagree with the comments about the lack of signposting. There are signposts, but you have to look carefully and also follow the directions; a compass can be useful.
Thank you very much.

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Date of your route : Jun 27, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good
Very busy route : Yes

Easy family route to be completed by "the charcoal burners' path" = walk in the woods above the Black Lake.

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Date of your route : Jun 23, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★☆☆ Average
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good
Very busy route : No

The route is poorly marked after Lac Noir; there are several paths, and it is impossible to find the right one. Furthermore, part of the path is now inaccessible because houses have been built there. A large part of the route is on the road, even if it is not very busy.

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Hello,

Unmarked trail

With Visorando, we often venture off the beaten track, so there are no markings.
Visorando does not recommend signposting because it can be changed or erased, whereas information about the terrain is stable.

Luckily, we had a smartphone to help us!

Have you used the free Visorando GPS app?

See you soon!

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Date of your route : Feb 08, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★☆☆☆☆ Very disappointing
Ease of following the route : ★★★☆☆ Average
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good

Unmarked trail. Route description very inadequate for choosing the right path at each intersection.
Luckily, we had a smartphone to help us! In the end, we followed some GR markings, which took us (fairly easily) back to the starting point.

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Date of your route : Jan 05, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★☆☆ Average
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

At the beginning, to avoid the tarmac, we took a shortcut through the vineyards, passing close to a house (Les Grandes Combes, elevation 418), then we rejoined a path leading to La Vierge, then another path to elevation 455, and from there the route is marked in yellow to Lac Noir.
There are few or no markings at the end, but as the route passes through vineyards and hamlets, it is difficult to go wrong.

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Date of your route : Apr 30, 2018
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★☆☆ Average
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

From St André to Lac Noir, the route is very clear. However, after Lac Noir, the second part is not detailed enough. It is better to use a map and compass rather than relying on the description!

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Date of your route : Aug 30, 2017
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good

Hello, I went hiking in Entremont-le-Vieux on the Péchut waterfall route. It was a very beautiful hike. Thank you.

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Date of your route : Apr 02, 2017
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

Great hike, very beautiful. The start is a bit "road-like" but it's worth it. The route and map are very well done up to Lac Noir. After that, we veered off slightly and the path at point 8 was difficult to find. We took another path that was a little too south-east, which led under the high-voltage pylon, then we tried to find the marked path (and the one on the IGN map) but apart from some scrub, we found nothing! we found the trail again further on, but then we got lost among the houses and finally lost the trail again (despite having a map and compass right under our noses!). This did not detract from the charm of this walk with its superb trails, lakes and views.

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Date of your route : Feb 26, 2017
Reliability of the description : ★★★☆☆ Average
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★☆ Good

We had no problems until Lac Noir, after which it was a bit tricky to find our way.

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Date of your route : Oct 20, 2016
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

A very beautiful hike, even for families, with beautiful autumn colours.
Before setting off on this hike, learn about the disputes between the House of Savoy and the Dauphiné in the Middle Ages, which will allow you to delve into the fascinating history of this region at the same time

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