Le Dérochoir

An extraordinary hike that almost forms a loop, starting from the Châtelet car park; a complete change of scenery guaranteed in an exceptional environment (Passy and Sixt nature reserves; Platé desert). You will need two vehicles.

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  • Walking
    Activity: Walking
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    Distance: 11.23 km
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    Average duration: 6h 35 
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    Difficulty: Difficult

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    Back to start: No
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    Ascent: + 1,181 m
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    Descent: - 1,273 m

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    Highest point: 2,355 m
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    Lowest point: 1,172 m

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Description of the walk

Access: from Annemasse (Geneva), take the Blanche motorway, exit 21 (Fayet-Passy); follow signs for Passy and climb up to the Plateau d'Assy. Continue to Praz Coutant; at the exit of this hamlet, just before a large right-hand bend (wooden cross), leave the first vehicle in the car park below. Continue to Plaine-Joux. Drive through the hamlet of Plaine-Joux and then turn right (Chalet de la Réserve) towards Lac Vert, where you can park.

(S) From the car park (altitude approx. 1260 m), take the path that leaves to the left of the building and climb towards Le Châtelet. Turn right as soon as you can, then right again, to join the Route du Châtelet, which you follow to the right. Turn left just before the restaurant (signposted "Le Dérochoir"). The path climbs through the forest.

(1) At the first intersection, turn right (yellow sign for "Ayère – Col d'Anterne" on a rock). Cross Ayères des Rocs (1641m) and you will soon reach the beautiful hamlet of Ayères des Pierrières (1637m).

(2) At the exit of the hamlet, turn left (signposted for Le Dérochoir). The trail climbs slowly but surely, first on grassy slopes, then quickly, as the rocks become more numerous and the vegetation becomes sparser. Follow the red markings on the rocks. The path gradually approaches the rock faces and you can already see the gigantic scree slope of Le Dérochoir. Zigzag between the boulders to approach a rocky peak; the path is not always obvious (steep terrain) so follow the red markings carefully. You will reach a pass which you cross between the Fiz cliffs and the aforementioned peak.

(3) After climbing up a scree slope, you continue on almost flat ground. There are a few more rocky sections (some remaining snowfields) and you leave the gorge for less rugged terrain. You gain height and the path continues to the right on stony ground to the foot of the cliff. On the left, there is a superb view of the Pointe du Dérochoir.
We then begin the ascent of the Dérochoir. Although not difficult, this section still requires some caution, especially if the terrain is slippery; progress is made easier by metal handrails, ropes, a few ladders and metal steps. There is a beautiful view of the cliffs on the right, with the Marteau in the foreground and the Aiguille Verte in the distance. You reach the Passage du Dérochoir at 2,200 metres. The 360° panorama is fabulous: Grand Pré with the chalets of Sales in the distance, the Fiz, the Aiguille Verte, the Mont Blanc range, the Passy valley, the Beaufortain massif, the Aravis, the Pointe du Dérochoir, the Platé desert (the largest sharp limestone pavement in Europe), etc.

Continue a short distance along the ridge towards the Col de la Portette (marked on a rock). The trail gradually descends along the slopes, passing below the Pointe du Dérochoir. You can now see the Pointe de Platé, the Châteaux de Cran and the Col de la Portette in the distance. The path becomes less clear and you cross another scree slope; the red markings and cairns help you to "stay on course" through this rocky chaos. Pointe de Platé slowly comes into view. We encounter a few remaining patches of snow before arriving at La Portette (2,270 m). A final winding climb (not difficult but steep) brings us to Col de la Portette, at 2,354 m.
The view is splendid, especially of the Tête du Colonney, the Aiguille Rouge, the Laouchets, the Pointe de Sales, the Rochers des Fiz and the Aiguille Verte.

(4) We begin the descent on a steep path towards the Refuge de Platé (Chalets de Platé, 2032m), first over rocks, then grassy slopes, soon dotted with beautiful sharp limestone pavement. A short stop at the refuge is always welcome (light refreshments available).

(5) We set off again on flat ground towards the cliffs (signposted Plaine Joux); there is a beautiful view of Mont Blanc. The route then continues on a path that becomes very steep (descent of Les Égratz; a few small exposed sections). We cross a metal footbridge and the path continues along the side of the cliff; after a left-hand bend under a vault, the path descends more steeply in hairpin bends, into a very steep rocky gorge. You will come across some more wooded areas. Continue to a fork (at around 1400m), take the left-hand path and head for Torrent d'Ugine (1389m).

(6) Continue to the left (Plaine Joux). The path becomes monotonous and more or less flat. At the next fork, turn right towards Praz Coutant. After a fairly long descent, you will reach Croix de Praz Coutant at 1171m and return to the car park (E).

Take the first vehicle and drive back up to the Lac Vert car park.

Waypoints

  1. S : km 0 - alt. 1,272 m - Car park - Refuge du Chatelet
  2. 1 : km 1.48 - alt. 1,475 m - Intersection, on the right
  3. 2 : km 2.56 - alt. 1,632 m - Ayères des Pierrières
  4. 3 : km 4.46 - alt. 2,197 m - Passage du Dérochoir (ou col)
  5. 4 : km 6.12 - alt. 2,347 m - Col de la Portette (2354m)
  6. 5 : km 7.28 - alt. 2,036 m - Refuge de Platé
  7. 6 : km 9.62 - alt. 1,390 m - Torrent d'Ugine, on the left
  8. E : km 11.22 - alt. 1,172 m - Praz Coutant - Car park

This route passes through a protected area, which may be subject to special regulations:

Worth a visit

Lac Vert, excellent restaurants in Plaine Joux, La Pointe and Lac de Pormenaz, among others.

Reviews and comments

4.7 / 5
Based on 17 reviews

Reliability of the description
4.5 / 5
Ease of following the route
4.7 / 5
Route interest
5 / 5
User 4518530

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Aug 22, 2025
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

A beautiful hike that can be done as a loop starting from the Plaine Joux car park and taking the Barmus chairlift at the start.
Once you reach the top, you will be captivated by the beauty of the chaos with its huge boulders and the silence broken only by an eagle... Definitely worth doing again!

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Gomez Carlos
Gomez Carlos

Hello, if you are prone to vertigo or not very comfortable, I recommend doing it in the suggested direction, climbing up the Rochoir instead of descending it, so that this section is at the beginning of the hike (in case you get stuck). As suggested in the comments, you can start from Praz Coutant and complete the loop. Add an hour to the estimated time.

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rinaudo
rinaudo

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Jul 15, 2025
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Magnificent hike. This summer, the Route du Lac Vert is closed to traffic, but there is a shuttle bus if you want to go there. I did the loop from Plaine Joux, following the trails at the start (signposted) and taking a shortcut on the left just before reaching Praz Coutant to avoid the road.

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Gomez Carlos
Gomez Carlos

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Sep 24, 2023
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Long live the Fiz massif!
We did the full loop starting from Praz Coutant, which adds about 30 minutes. The climb to Le Derochoir takes place in a very mineral setting. The view from the pass over the Mont Blanc massif and the Fiz mountains is magnificent. You can see the Plate Curiodite geological desert. This hike in the Fiz mountains lives up to all its promises.
Difficulty: The climb to Le Derochoir can be tricky for those who are prone to vertigo. The descent from the Col de Portette requires caution, as does the descent after the Plate chalets. In short, the slopes are very steep both uphill and downhill.

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Laure9
Laure9

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Jun 25, 2023
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Hike done yesterday in splendid, warm weather. Loop starting and ending at Plaine Joux (it is no longer possible to park at Lac Vert).
This hike requires sure-footedness and great care when descending the Col de la Portette (a landslide has wiped out the zigzag path over a distance of several dozen metres) and especially when descending Les Egraz.
I would not recommend this hike to people under 1.50 metres tall because of the Dérochoir passage, which requires a minimum height.

There are numerous snowfields between points 3 and 4 at this time of year, but the slope is moderate at this point. Therefore, the passage is not particularly dangerous.

CAUTION Between points 3 and 4. A block of rocks broke away from the cliff just above us as we were walking along it. Fortunately, we were walking quietly and heard the cracking sounds. However, it is difficult to predict where the blocks will fall as they hurtle down the slope. In the end, a block about 30 cm in size passed 2 m away from me at full speed. In short, it was the big scare of the day. Shortly afterwards, while chatting on the path with other hikers who had passed by the day before, we were told about a snow slide the previous day and another rockfall. It was more frightening than dangerous for us. But I would advise you to remain vigilant.

To recover from our emotions, we had a picnic at the Col de la Portette, where we saw about twenty ibexes with many young ones, as well as two marmots.

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JCParavy
JCParavy
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Overall rating : 4.5 / 5

Date of your route : Oct 24, 2021
Reliability of the description : Not used / Not applicable
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Loop completed this autumn Sunday. As with most, departure and arrival at Plaine-Joux with descent to Lac Vert via the trail and, at the end, ascent of the Praz-Coutant trail with, unfortunately, a bit of road from Guébriant.
(The trail leading back to Guébriant is blocked... but in fact it's fine to walk on).
Le Dérochoir is impressive and obviously requires attention, but ultimately not very difficult in terms of the ascent.
A magnificent day, which allows me to add a few photos.

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Bouquetin740
Bouquetin740

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Oct 24, 2021
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

A few trail runners and hikers on the circuit. When climbing the scree slope, be careful not to stray from the path, which put me in an uncomfortable situation for a few minutes. Magnificent circuit with sublime views of Mont Blanc and other peaks. We started from the Plaine-Joux car park and returned there, which lengthens the hike a little and requires walking a kilometre or so on the road because one of the return trails is closed due to a landslide, but it's no big deal.

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cathycoco
cathycoco

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Jul 13, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : Yes

very beautiful hike. The Dérochoir passage requires caution, as the steps are a little high for shorter people. We slept
at Les Platé because the next day we climbed to the top of Le Colonney. The ibex were there waiting for us. It was great
worth discovering, thank you

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zbh0170
zbh0170
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Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Aug 01, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : Yes

Hello,

Today, I completed the loop (duration approx. 5.5 hours excluding breaks) starting from Plaine de Joux. I joined the route at Ayères des Rocs (via the good carriage road). The aim was to avoid having to use two vehicles (i.e. without going via Praz on the way back)

Overall, it was a very nice route with beautiful, almost enchanting views (it was just a shame that the view of Mont Blanc was a little hazy).
The Passage du Dérochoir (a little unusual) is not too difficult but requires caution.
Caution is also required on a few rocky crossings (a little before, then a little after, heading towards the Col de la Portette)

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Baldeagle
Baldeagle

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Sep 16, 2019
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

Superb walk!
A bit physically demanding, but suitable for ages 12 to 62 if you are used to walking in medium-altitude mountains.

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aimjiefce
aimjiefce

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Sep 11, 2018
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

I didn't have two vehicles, so I returned to my starting point.

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henri57
henri57 ★

Hello,

Thank you for your comments

Please note that access by car via Le Chatelet is no longer possible. You must start from Plaine-Joux or Lac Vert.


Please note that the road from Plaine-Joux to Le Chatelet is closed (permanently) to traffic due to a landslide. You will therefore need to walk this section.

@soldanelle74
@wokati

A request for modification has been sent to the author of the hike.

See you soon!

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NACATELLE
NACATELLE

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Sep 07, 2018
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

A sunny day without too much heat.
For me (1.50 m tall), the metal steps are too far apart. It's a shame because the landscape is very varied and beautiful: the Platé desert, views of Mont Blanc...

at the Col de la Portette, we saw ibexes, superb!

Best regards, Therese.

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grandin
grandin ★

With a lot (too much! Sorry, soldanelle74) of delay, thank you, wokati. I added a warning and put your access suggestions in "Practical Information"

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soldanelle74
soldanelle74

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Jul 17, 2018
Reliability of the description : ★★★☆☆ Average
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good

Please note that access by car via Le Chatelet is no longer possible. You must depart from Plaine-Joux or Lac Vert.

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