La Draye des Communaux and La Sure

A physically demanding and challenging circular walk just a few minutes from Grenoble. After climbing the Draye des Communaux, the route passes through the magnificent interlacing formations of sharp limestone pavement at the Gouffre Berger, before reaching the summit of La Sure, where the view of Mont Blanc, the Chartreuse, Belledonne and Grenoble is as breathtaking as the drop-off beneath the cliff.
You then head towards La Buffe (optional) and return via the (disused) Mortier tunnel.

Only to be attempted in very dry weather!

Details

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    Activity: Walking
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    Distance: 9.52 mi
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    Duration according to the author: 7 hrs 
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    Difficulty: Extremely difficult

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    Back to start: Yes
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    Ascent: + 3,960 ft
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    Descent: - 3,947 ft

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    Highest point: 5,331 ft
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    Lowest point: 2,290 ft

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Description of the walk

Warnings:
- The IGN topographical map is completely out of date (even the online version is often years behind); there is a wide, vehicle-accessible track (usually closed to traffic) leading up from Carron to the Tunnel du Mortier; the OpenStreetMap hiking map shows part of it; the route follows part of this track on the descent. Furthermore, some of the tracks shown on the IGN map no longer exist or are in an impassable condition. Do not rely on the IGN map in this area.
- It is essential to read the ‘Practical Information’ section to find your way to La Draye and gauge the difficulty.

Pascal Sombardier (whoinspired this circular loop, as well as many others – see the excellent *Vercors secret*) has pointed out to me that there is a much easier alternative to the direct ascent between (1) and (4). Instead of turning right at (1), continue along the track to the south-east and follow the approach route described in the guide to La Draye de Seblou on Pascal’s blog (you’ll need to download the PDF). Please note that La Draye de Seblou is a much more demanding route.

(S/E) From Carron, do not go through the gate on the forest road but take a forest track to your right which climbs steeply into the woods between two huts (heading south-west).

(1) Just past these huts, turn right onto the Chemin des Bœufs (actually a forest track) and follow it for less than 100 m.

(2) Take the first forest track branching off to the left, heading south-west (note: there is another one a little further on heading in the same direction – see practical information). This track crosses the forest road near some small cairns. Carry on climbing, still heading south-west, along the track which eventually disappears into the forest. Continue climbing in the same direction, following a few cairns.

(3) Cross the forest road where two cairns mark the route on either side of the road (the cairns are marked with fluorescent red; the top one is very small). Continue climbing in the same south-westerly direction, over increasingly steep terrain littered with moss-covered boulders. Near the edge of the forest (the cliff is partially visible), you’ll arrive beneath huge boulders from a rockfall.

(4) At the boulders, turn left to climb a slightly less steep slope towards the mouth of the Draye and the scree descending from it. Head for the foot of the cliff. At the start of the Draye des communaux (marked ‘Draue’ on the IGN map), climb straight southwards up a (very) steep section, making the best use of the few boulders and grassy slabs (see photo).

(5) When you reach the rope, follow it to get past the rocks, then climb to the right onto a grassy ledge, still following the rope (and a few old cables). Step out onto the top of the cliff where a good path joins. Turn left onto this path, heading south, and follow it through the undergrowth (numerous cairns) until you reach a clearer area, bordered by sharp limestone pavement.

(6) A large cairn marks the junction where the path branches off to the right (west) towards the Gouffre Berger. Follow this path to the chasm.

(7) The gouffre lies in the middle of a sharp limestone pavement bordered by trees (see photo). Retrace your steps back to the large cairn.

(6) Turn right (south) onto the cairn-marked path. Continue along this path until you reach theGR®® 9.

(8) Atthe GR®® 9, a yellow sign points towards La Sure on the right (west). Follow this direction along theGR®® marked in red and white; pass a junction coming from the left, then veer north and walk alongside the sharp limestone pavement. The path turns back west and arrives at a place called Malatra.

(9) Turn right towards La Sure, as indicated by the sign at Malatra, staying on theGR®® which is now a track suitable for vehicles running along the top of the Autrans ski runs. At a signpost, leave the track and head towards La Sure (north-east) to reach the edge of the cliff.

(10) At La Sure, continue along the path heading westwards along the cliff face, towards an emergency telephone relay station, and rejoin the track. Turn right onto this track and, after a hairpin bend, turn right onto theGR®® 9 to follow the sign for La Buffe (signpost). The path continues along the cliff towards La Buffe (see alternative routes) until it reaches the area above Le Mortier.

(11) A sign points towards the tunnel. Follow the path towards it until you reach the tarmac road to Les Feneys. Walk down this road for 500m to reach the entrance to the Mortier tunnel. Walk through the tunnel until you emerge above the Isère valley. Turn right onto a track suitable for vehicles (blocked by large stones to prevent traffic). This track does not appear on IGN maps. It follows the foot of the cliff, initially heading south-east, then takes two hairpin bends before continuing down a long, gently sloping descent that passes the Seigneurets ridge. The track veers south to reach a junction at a hairpin bend.

(12) Do not continue in the direction you came from, but take the hairpin bend to the left towards the north, staying on the track, and this will lead you to the next hairpin bend.

(13) At the circular bend in the hairpin, turn left onto a forest track that descends more steeply into the woodland. This is the old Chemin des Bœufs, marked (faintly) in blue. Continue along this track until you cross the forest road again.

(14) Cross the road to continue along the Chemin des Bœufs. Cross the forest road a second time to reach a junction with another logging track. Turn right (south) to descend this track and return to the original junction.

(2) Follow the route you took on the way out to return to the Carron car park (S/E)

Waypoints

  1. S/E : mi 0 - alt. 2,293 ft - Carron
  2. 1 : mi 0.06 - alt. 2,339 ft - Chemin des Bœufs junction
  3. 2 : mi 0.11 - alt. 2,428 ft - Crossroads of the circular loop
  4. 3 : mi 0.7 - alt. 3,304 ft - Cairns
  5. 4 : mi 0.92 - alt. 3,937 ft - Large rock
  6. 5 : mi 1.22 - alt. 4,774 ft - Rope
  7. 6 : mi 1.67 - alt. 4,875 ft - Cairn marking the path towards the chasm
  8. 7 : mi 1.91 - alt. 4,770 ft - Gouffre Berger
  9. 8 : mi 2.37 - alt. 4,941 ft - Signpost indicating the Sure
  10. 9 : mi 3.23 - alt. 5,164 ft - Malatra
  11. 10 : mi 4.72 - alt. 5,184 ft - Summit - La Sure
  12. 11 : mi 5.46 - alt. 5,056 ft - Signpost near Le Mortier towards the tunnel
  13. 12 : mi 7.9 - alt. 3,858 ft - Do not continue straight on at this hairpin bend
  14. 13 : mi 8.32 - alt. 3,665 ft - Head down the forest track at this hairpin bend
  15. 14 : mi 8.82 - alt. 3,058 ft - Crossing the forest track
  16. S/E : mi 9.52 - alt. 2,290 ft - Carron

Notes

Difficulty: the presence of a fixed rope at the bottom of the draye means this route can be tackled as a hike. Without this rope, it would be a climb of at least grade 4b, which falls outside the scope of Visorando. If the rope is missing, turn back. As of 2 August 2018, the rope is securely fixed to bolts and quick-release carabiners to prevent wear and tear. Knots and circular loops every 75 cm provide a good grip. The rope is dynamic (elastic). Even with this rope, the hike remains extremely difficult, as the ascent between (3) and (5) takes place on very steep terrain, with no defined path, and at times over unstable scree. On this type of terrain, you must look for the few boulders firmly anchored in the ground to use as footholds, and do not hesitate to step out of the scree to find more stable ground, such as rock or a grassy ledge.

Directions:
(The left bank refers to the left-hand side of a river or valley when heading downhill)
There is no marked path leading up to the ‘draye des communaux’; at most, there are a few cairns, and it is easy to lose track of them. If you do not have the Visorando app, the easiest way to reach point (3) without fail is to head straight up on one side of the Fournel valley floor (for example, on its left bank). Once you reach the track near (3), simply turn left to find the cairns. The same applies for getting from (3) to (4): after heading slightly to the right along the left bank of the Fournel valley, simply veer left when you reach the edge of the forest, go past the large rock(s) and climb up to the communal trail.

Near Carron, if you have mistakenly taken the forest track leading up to Les Seys (you’ll realise this because it veers off the south-westerly course to head due west), there’s no need to turn back. Continue along this track until you reach the forest road. Cross it and follow the valley up as far as the eye can see until you reach the road again. Then follow the directions for the first alternative route below, heading south along the road to the cairns (3).

Equipment:

  • Walking poles are very useful on the climb up to the draye, but you’ll need to be able to stow them away in your rucksack to climb along the rope.
  • Wearing long trousers will help prevent scratches from the vegetation during the climb through the forest.
  • As this walk passes at the foot of cliffs and through a steep gully, a helmet is recommended to protect against rockfalls triggered by chamois or other walkers.

Water:
There are no water sources along this route.

This route passes through multiple protected areas, which may be subject to special regulations:

Worth a visit

Alternatives:
If the Carron barrier is open, it is possible to drive up to the point marked 877m on the IGN map. In this case, you reach the cairns (3) by continuing on foot along this forest track, generally heading south-east after passing its hairpin bend (you pass point (14) – see the map). On the return journey, at (14), turn left onto the forest road to descend to the hairpin bend.

At (11), you can extend the walk by visiting the summit of La Buffe (1 km return, barely 100 m elevation gain). On the descent from La Buffe, it is possible to head directly down the slope towards the Isère valley by crossing the Pas Mortier (elevation 1,555 m on the IGN map). A series of grassy ledges and a short, easy climb down a chimney lead to the disused tunnel road. If you follow this road down, you can return via the Chemin Fontrasset (see map).

Notes:

  • A ‘Draye’ (sometimes ‘drovers' road’) was a passage for herds in the Alps, but it is unlikely that herds ever passed through here.
  • The word ‘Sure’ refers to a cliff. It is found at Les Deux Sœurs in the Vercors (a corruption of ‘deux Sures’) and at La Grande Sure, a nearby peak in the Chartreuse.

Always be cautious and plan ahead when you're outdoors. Visorando and the author of this route cannot be held responsible for any accidents occurring on this route.

The GR® and PR® markings are the intellectual property of the Fédération Française de Randonnée Pédestre.

Reviews and comments

4.4 / 5
Based on 7 reviews

Reliability of the description
4.4 / 5
Ease of following the route
4.1 / 5
Route interest
4.7 / 5
Tim
Tim

Overall rating : 4.7 / 5

Date of your route : Aug 20, 2026
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Undertaken with a few detours in March 2026. To talk about this route – namely the Draye des Communaux – you need to be well-informed and, I think, have some prior experience of technical terrain, which was certainly the case for me.

The climb through the woods is gruelling and disorientating, and the scree slope finished me off. Fortunately, the atmosphere is spectacular, but it’s very tough and it’s just as well I was on my own as I was sending lovely stones flying behind me. The steepness of the Draye put me off abseiling down it, even though I was worried about the condition of the rope.
In the end, the rope was in good condition on the first section (which is the hardest) and it’s very stretchy. I climbed with a cool head and it gave me a proper adrenaline rush. The rest of the climb is easier; take your time to savour the atmosphere.
I descended via the Pas du Mortier, which is also impressive and requires caution. I came across a hiker there who was struggling.
A properly challenging hike that I’d recommend to anyone who’s confident in their abilities!

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bouvierjr
bouvierjr ★
chanco70
chanco70

Overall rating : 3.3 / 5

Date of your route : Jun 29, 2026
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★☆☆ Average
Route interest : ★★★☆☆ Average
Very busy route : No

I can confirm that this route is extremely technical and very demanding, with nothing but ‘off-piste’ terrain on the ascent. (8.30 am)
The scree section is really very tricky, with stones rolling underfoot, making progress ‘unsafe’ and dangerous.
The section with the rope (which has been recently installed along the entire ascent, even in the second section) goes smoothly, but you really mustn’t let go of it under any circumstances.
I find this hike too stressful and the risk-reward ratio is too high.
You really need to take all these factors into account before attempting it.

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bouvierjr
bouvierjr ★

Thanks for the feedback and well done on the variations – this sort of hike really encourages that!

I have deliberately included a link to my friend Pascal’s blog for the climb between points 1 and 4, to encourage enthusiasts of challenging routes to visit his site, which is brimming (with over 300 guides) with dizzying itineraries, many of which cannot be featured on Visorando as they are too close to mountaineering.

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fredrichard7
fredrichard7

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Jun 14, 2026
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

A lovely walk. Many thanks to the author!
Between points 1 and 3, I used the approach suggested by P Sombardier. The climb is very straightforward and seems much easier than the one originally suggested. Ideally, the guidebook should be updated accordingly. Then between points 3 and 4, it’s a tough climb! The cairns are a little further to the left than the GPS track, then I followed a sort of trough that runs directly beneath La Draye. The final ascent is very steep; walking poles are essential. Then, for the climbing section, the rope is still there, which is great!
The rest of the hike is a different style, but equally beautiful.
I followed this up with another circular loop (La Sure, La Buffe, La Grande Brèche and Le Trou de la Guêpe) where I met up with my wife and daughter, so I didn’t do the descent from the Mortier tunnel.

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Charlie 38
Charlie 38

Overall rating : 4.3 / 5

Date of your route : Apr 14, 2024
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★☆☆ Average
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

A superb hike, quite a challenge to make it all the way to Draye.

I struggled a bit to find the cairns; they’re small, so it’s tricky between points 1 and 3.
But you just need to keep the Draye in sight and carry on straight through the forest.

The scree at the foot of La Draye takes quite a bit of energy; all the stones are loose...

As for the Draye, a rope has been installed and is in fairly good condition, but it still takes some effort to climb.
"You mustn’t be afraid of heights." You also need a basic level of climbing experience.
Watch out for falling rocks!

A very beautiful view from the top.

The descent is quite long but pleasant; the forest paths are gradual.
Extremely difficult level; not recommended for beginners.

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AlbanDcl
AlbanDcl

Overall rating : 5 / 5

Date of your route : Apr 14, 2024
Reliability of the description : ★★★★★ Very good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

A superb hike, quite challenging right up to the end of La Draye; the rest of the ascent and the descent present no particular difficulties.

The path to La Draye is quite steep, but not exposed, so no worries there (though it is possible to slip quite a bit on the rocks).

As for La Draye, a rope (red and beige) definitely helps with the climb; we relied on it, but I’d advise bringing your own gear if you want to feel more comfortable.

Otherwise, the GPS track is good, far more accurate than the IGN map; the cairns are clearly visible (except for the ‘big cairn’ after the Draye heading west); quite a few trees have fallen across the paths but do not pose any problems for continuing.

As for the return journey, the recommended route after the Mortier tunnel has been subject to landslides, and taking it clearly doesn’t save any time compared to the road.

Thank you so much for this walk; I highly recommend it – there’s a magnificent view of Grenoble and the surrounding area!!!

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Laprune38
Laprune38
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Overall rating : 4.7 / 5

Date of your route : Sep 10, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★★☆ Good
Ease of following the route : ★★★★★ Very good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

Hello
We did this hike on 10 September 2020. The weather was glorious and the scenery magnificent. A real success.
I do, however, have two comments regarding the fixed rope.
1 – This rope is starting to show its age. I don’t know how old it is or how long it’s been there, but I found it hard to trust it.
2 – The second (or is it the third?) anchor point has come loose. This makes the climb more tricky.
For added safety, I therefore chose to double it with a rope I’d brought along after reading the reviews (thanks Lapuce45 ).
I can therefore confirm the warnings about the difficulty of this hike, which I would not recommend without climbing gear to secure the tricky section.
One final point: between sections 2 and 4, the risk of falling is limited, but the risk of getting hit by a rock is very real, even in the forest. Chamois seem to like the area and are the ones triggering rockfalls, which are all the more dangerous as you can’t hear them coming through the undergrowth. I would therefore advise climbing slightly to the left, onto a slight ledge that reduces the risks,

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bouvierjr
bouvierjr ★

Thank you for your feedback!

To improve this hike, I would need the following information:

  1. What can I do to improve the route on the map rated 4/5 (or more precisely, where does this route differ from the path I actually took, given that this is my GPS track)?
  2. What can I do to improve the description, which is rated 3/5?

I always try to ensure it’s possible to follow it with a map and compass (hence my directions regarding the cardinal points); it’s clear that without a GPS, map and compass, it’s not possible to follow this sort of hike. With a GPS, it’s much simpler.

Finally, having explored the terrain many times, I can confirm that there are no “trails” to make progress easier, apart from, of course, the very useful deer tracks.

Thanks in advance and happy hiking.

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lapuce45
lapuce45

Overall rating : 4 / 5

Date of your route : May 22, 2020
Reliability of the description : ★★★☆☆ Average
Ease of following the route : ★★★★☆ Good
Route interest : ★★★★★ Very good
Very busy route : No

The Draye des Communaux is spectacular.
However, the climb up through the forest straight up the slope isn’t the most pleasant. You’ll have to look around, but I think there’s a way to take a few more tracks to make the climb easier. Without a GPS, though, it’s impossible.
At the Draye, the rope was clearly visible. It’s getting old but is still in good condition. However, for safety’s sake and as we’re climbers, we took a short rope and six quickdraws (take two more for the ledge on the way out) and climbed with the rope taut. There’s a tricky move at 4c at the start, and after that it’s easier.
At the top, there’s a picturesque setting on the plateau.
The return journey, however, after the tunnel is straightforward but quite long.
Make sure it hasn’t rained for at least 3 or 4 days beforehand, as the walk through the forest would be even tougher.

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Mimizen38
Mimizen38

OK, thanks. I've added this hike to my favourites for the spring

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bouvierjr
bouvierjr ★

Hello,
The only risk between (2) and (4) is twisting an ankle or slipping on the loose gravel; there is no cliff below.
Happy hiking!
- jr

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Mimizen38
Mimizen38

Hello,
Regarding the section between (2) and (4), it is noted that there are loose scree: is the risk merely of twisting an ankle, or is there a risk of falling off a cliff?
Thank you in advance

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